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	<title>Comments on: Mac OS X 10.5.3 (Leopard): How to reproduce the random file renaming bug in Spotlight</title>
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		<title>By: Pierre Igot</title>
		<link>http://www.betalogue.com/2008/05/30/leopard-spotlight-bug/comment-page-1/#comment-8380</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierre Igot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have tech support (and time to spare!), you can always try to contact them and explain how to reproduce the bug and how damaging it is. Feel free to give them a link to this page.

Otherwise, the only option is to get a free registration with the Apple Developer Connection and submit the bug in a bug report at &lt;a href=&quot;http://bugreport.apple.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bugreport.apple.com/&lt;/a&gt;.

The greater the number of bug reports, the greater the chance that Apple will finally realize how bad this bug is and fix it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have tech support (and time to spare!), you can always try to contact them and explain how to reproduce the bug and how damaging it is. Feel free to give them a link to this page.</p>
<p>Otherwise, the only option is to get a free registration with the Apple Developer Connection and submit the bug in a bug report at <a href="http://bugreport.apple.com/" rel="nofollow">http://bugreport.apple.com/</a>.</p>
<p>The greater the number of bug reports, the greater the chance that Apple will finally realize how bad this bug is and fix it.</p>
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		<title>By: deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mac has this bug and it is driving me crazy! Thankyou for explaining what is probably happening. I am a student and doing alot of writing and research. Many of my files have been randomly renamed and I have deleted them thinking they were duplicates! ARGHHHHH! Is there any way to fix this problem? I have not contacted Mac though do have tech support still- will do that soon. 
Any input appreciated- thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mac has this bug and it is driving me crazy! Thankyou for explaining what is probably happening. I am a student and doing alot of writing and research. Many of my files have been randomly renamed and I have deleted them thinking they were duplicates! ARGHHHHH! Is there any way to fix this problem? I have not contacted Mac though do have tech support still- will do that soon.<br />
Any input appreciated- thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Igot</title>
		<link>http://www.betalogue.com/2008/05/30/leopard-spotlight-bug/comment-page-1/#comment-8245</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierre Igot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just strange, it&#039;s downright dangerous. It doesn&#039;t take much—a simple Spotlight search and exploration of the search results—to trigger it, and when it occurs it changes the names of files behind your back in a totally untraceable way. It can even change a folder (in the search results list) into a file! I have seen an entire folder turned into a Pages document. Of course, when I tried to open the pseudo-Pages document, I got an error in Pages, and I then used the &quot;Show Package Contents&quot; command to explore the insides of that pseudo-Pages document and discovered it contained all kinds of files!

I was able to change that pseudo-Pages document back into a folder, but unfortunately since there is no way to trace the random name changes who knows how many other files or folders have been affected on my hard drives. Anything that might have shown up in a Spotlight search results window at any point is susceptible. It is very worrying.

I have no idea how Mac OS X chooses the file that it randomly renames. But it is definitely a file other than the one selected in the Spotlight search results window. If you have 50 files/folders listed in your Spotlight search results window, any of them could be affected.

As for where this bug might come from, my sense is that it&#039;s because the Spotlight search results window in the Finder is actually only a pseudo-Finder window, a &quot;hack&quot; that Apple uses to make a totally different beast look like a regular Finder window, when it is actually more like a 10.4-era Spotlight window with additional Finder-like features. 

For example, the Spotlight search results window does not have the same view options as regular Finder windows. It also is the only type of Finder window that is affected by the visible &quot;editable name in background&quot; bug. If you select an item in a regular Finder window and then double-click on its name, Mac OS X does not make its name editable in the background.

So this leads me to think that Spotlight search results windows follow their own rules, and this major bug is hidden somewhere inside those rules. Apple needs to fix it ASAP. But they will only do so if they get substantial bug reports from many different users. So please submit yours, with all the detailed steps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just strange, it&#8217;s downright dangerous. It doesn&#8217;t take much—a simple Spotlight search and exploration of the search results—to trigger it, and when it occurs it changes the names of files behind your back in a totally untraceable way. It can even change a folder (in the search results list) into a file! I have seen an entire folder turned into a Pages document. Of course, when I tried to open the pseudo-Pages document, I got an error in Pages, and I then used the &#8220;Show Package Contents&#8221; command to explore the insides of that pseudo-Pages document and discovered it contained all kinds of files!</p>
<p>I was able to change that pseudo-Pages document back into a folder, but unfortunately since there is no way to trace the random name changes who knows how many other files or folders have been affected on my hard drives. Anything that might have shown up in a Spotlight search results window at any point is susceptible. It is very worrying.</p>
<p>I have no idea how Mac OS X chooses the file that it randomly renames. But it is definitely a file other than the one selected in the Spotlight search results window. If you have 50 files/folders listed in your Spotlight search results window, any of them could be affected.</p>
<p>As for where this bug might come from, my sense is that it&#8217;s because the Spotlight search results window in the Finder is actually only a pseudo-Finder window, a &#8220;hack&#8221; that Apple uses to make a totally different beast look like a regular Finder window, when it is actually more like a 10.4-era Spotlight window with additional Finder-like features. </p>
<p>For example, the Spotlight search results window does not have the same view options as regular Finder windows. It also is the only type of Finder window that is affected by the visible &#8220;editable name in background&#8221; bug. If you select an item in a regular Finder window and then double-click on its name, Mac OS X does not make its name editable in the background.</p>
<p>So this leads me to think that Spotlight search results windows follow their own rules, and this major bug is hidden somewhere inside those rules. Apple needs to fix it ASAP. But they will only do so if they get substantial bug reports from many different users. So please submit yours, with all the detailed steps.</p>
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		<title>By: jbravo556</title>
		<link>http://www.betalogue.com/2008/05/30/leopard-spotlight-bug/comment-page-1/#comment-8244</link>
		<dc:creator>jbravo556</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 19:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re absolutely right.

In my experiment, I thought that the file being renamed is the file whose name is highlighted for editing. So the name staying the same didn&#039;t seem like a big deal.

However, after I moved one of the files into a different directory and started double clicking that, the second file in the list was getting renamed, not the one that you double click.

That is a strange bug indeed.

Good thing I don&#039;t really use the Finder. I use Path Finder instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right.</p>
<p>In my experiment, I thought that the file being renamed is the file whose name is highlighted for editing. So the name staying the same didn&#8217;t seem like a big deal.</p>
<p>However, after I moved one of the files into a different directory and started double clicking that, the second file in the list was getting renamed, not the one that you double click.</p>
<p>That is a strange bug indeed.</p>
<p>Good thing I don&#8217;t really use the Finder. I use Path Finder instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Igot</title>
		<link>http://www.betalogue.com/2008/05/30/leopard-spotlight-bug/comment-page-1/#comment-8243</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierre Igot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 18:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sol: Yes, the bug is a new one introduced by 10.5. It is tied to the new results window, which did not exist in this form in 10.4.

jbravo: I specifically indicated that, in order for the random name changes to happen, the results need to be in different folders. If the results are in the same folder, you get the error message, because OS X cannot have two files with the same name in the same folder. But the core issue remains that OS X is &lt;em&gt;attempting&lt;/em&gt; to rename a file without the user&#039;s consent. The fact that you are getting the alert is proof that the bug is occurring on your machine too. It just cannot complete the name change because of the name conflict, but there is no reason for OS X to even attempt a name change here. If you want to see a name change happening, modify the above scenario by storing each text file in a different subfolder, and reproducing the same steps. Then you&#039;ll see the name change in its full glory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sol: Yes, the bug is a new one introduced by 10.5. It is tied to the new results window, which did not exist in this form in 10.4.</p>
<p>jbravo: I specifically indicated that, in order for the random name changes to happen, the results need to be in different folders. If the results are in the same folder, you get the error message, because OS X cannot have two files with the same name in the same folder. But the core issue remains that OS X is <em>attempting</em> to rename a file without the user&#8217;s consent. The fact that you are getting the alert is proof that the bug is occurring on your machine too. It just cannot complete the name change because of the name conflict, but there is no reason for OS X to even attempt a name change here. If you want to see a name change happening, modify the above scenario by storing each text file in a different subfolder, and reproducing the same steps. Then you&#8217;ll see the name change in its full glory.</p>
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		<title>By: jbravo556</title>
		<link>http://www.betalogue.com/2008/05/30/leopard-spotlight-bug/comment-page-1/#comment-8242</link>
		<dc:creator>jbravo556</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 18:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I got the error message, but I couldn&#039;t get the random rename even after 50+ attempts with BBEdit and TextEdit.

Let&#039;s say I&#039;m trying with &#039;Albert.txt&#039;. The error message would state that I can&#039;t use the file name &#039;Albert.txt&#039; because it&#039;s already in use. So the name doesn&#039;t change for me. The Finder simply gives an error message that trying to rename the file &#039;Albert.txt&#039; to &#039;Albert.txt&#039; cannot be done. I got this error about 1 time for each 6 or seven attempts. In one of the attempts the error message was &#039;cannot open the alias Albert.txt because the original item cannot be found&#039; but deselecting the file, selecting it and double clicking its name didn&#039;t produce the alias error anymore.

Do you have any auto-typing, auto-correcting utility active on your system? Anything that takes keyboard input before the active application get it? If you do, maybe it&#039;s re-routing the input to the Finder. I have Grammarian X on mine, so that may affect my results too (although, turning it off didn&#039;t change the outcome).

So I got the same error message that you&#039;re getting, but I couldn&#039;t successfully replicate your random rename problem. It&#039;s on an Intel iMac, with 10.5.3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I got the error message, but I couldn&#8217;t get the random rename even after 50+ attempts with BBEdit and TextEdit.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say I&#8217;m trying with &#8216;Albert.txt&#8217;. The error message would state that I can&#8217;t use the file name &#8216;Albert.txt&#8217; because it&#8217;s already in use. So the name doesn&#8217;t change for me. The Finder simply gives an error message that trying to rename the file &#8216;Albert.txt&#8217; to &#8216;Albert.txt&#8217; cannot be done. I got this error about 1 time for each 6 or seven attempts. In one of the attempts the error message was &#8216;cannot open the alias Albert.txt because the original item cannot be found&#8217; but deselecting the file, selecting it and double clicking its name didn&#8217;t produce the alias error anymore.</p>
<p>Do you have any auto-typing, auto-correcting utility active on your system? Anything that takes keyboard input before the active application get it? If you do, maybe it&#8217;s re-routing the input to the Finder. I have Grammarian X on mine, so that may affect my results too (although, turning it off didn&#8217;t change the outcome).</p>
<p>So I got the same error message that you&#8217;re getting, but I couldn&#8217;t successfully replicate your random rename problem. It&#8217;s on an Intel iMac, with 10.5.3.</p>
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		<title>By: sol</title>
		<link>http://www.betalogue.com/2008/05/30/leopard-spotlight-bug/comment-page-1/#comment-8241</link>
		<dc:creator>sol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 23:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is definitely new in 10.5. I am still using 10.4 and I could not recreate this bug (if that helps you narrow it down). Like you, Pierre, I feel that this bug is very serious and should be addressed by Apple. I have enough trouble keeping track of the name changes I initiate let alone having my computer doing it in the background without my knowing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is definitely new in 10.5. I am still using 10.4 and I could not recreate this bug (if that helps you narrow it down). Like you, Pierre, I feel that this bug is very serious and should be addressed by Apple. I have enough trouble keeping track of the name changes I initiate let alone having my computer doing it in the background without my knowing.</p>
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		<title>By: lex</title>
		<link>http://www.betalogue.com/2008/05/30/leopard-spotlight-bug/comment-page-1/#comment-8240</link>
		<dc:creator>lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 19:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am able to consistently recreate this bug using your steps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am able to consistently recreate this bug using your steps.</p>
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