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	<title>Comments on: New Apple Keyboard: Fine hardware, but the software side still needs work</title>
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		<title>By: iPhone update raises hackles &#171; MaCinJay&#8217;s Musings</title>
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		<dc:creator>iPhone update raises hackles &#171; MaCinJay&#8217;s Musings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 23:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chris&#8217;s other complaints hinge largely on his own personal tastes. For instance he dislikes the new Apple keyboard but his opinion is by no means universal as the keyboard has received a lot of praise from other quarters. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Chris&#8217;s other complaints hinge largely on his own personal tastes. For instance he dislikes the new Apple keyboard but his opinion is by no means universal as the keyboard has received a lot of praise from other quarters. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Igot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre Igot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, forgot that the wireless one doesn&#039;t have all those keys :).

I will install the update soon, it&#039;s just a matter of downloading the 22 MB and rebooting…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, forgot that the wireless one doesn&#8217;t have all those keys :).</p>
<p>I will install the update soon, it&#8217;s just a matter of downloading the 22 MB and rebooting…</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Ingraham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Ingraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, but I have no higher-range F-keys!  The wireless keyboard is compact.  The F-keys stop at F12.  So, that issue n/a for my keyboard.

Yes, good point, we should not be stuck with the keys as they are.  In particular, we should at least have the option of just turning off the special function and choosing either another function from a list (including running AppleScripts, of course), or having it simply default to the underlying F-key.  Really, how hard would that be to implement?  Why, I could practically do it myself!  Ha ha.  Not.  But Apple should, and we may well see this in future updates or in 10.5.

You’re kidding, another update already?  What a lot of keyboard updating!  I look forward to reading your report ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, but I have no higher-range F-keys!  The wireless keyboard is compact.  The F-keys stop at F12.  So, that issue n/a for my keyboard.</p>
<p>Yes, good point, we should not be stuck with the keys as they are.  In particular, we should at least have the option of just turning off the special function and choosing either another function from a list (including running AppleScripts, of course), or having it simply default to the underlying F-key.  Really, how hard would that be to implement?  Why, I could practically do it myself!  Ha ha.  Not.  But Apple should, and we may well see this in future updates or in 10.5.</p>
<p>You’re kidding, another update already?  What a lot of keyboard updating!  I look forward to reading your report &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Igot</title>
		<link>http://www.betalogue.com/2007/08/30/new-apple-keyboard-fine-hardware-but-the-software-side-still-needs-work/comment-page-1/#comment-7443</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierre Igot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul: Try assigning shortcuts with the higher-range F-keys (F13–F19) in various applications. You will encounter various problems, including in Apple&#039;s own applications. That said, Apple has just released another update. I will have to try it. (It&#039;s a 22 MB download that requires a restart.)

I wouldn&#039;t mind the brightness keys if they were configurable, i.e. if I could remove the shortcuts. But they are hard-wired and cannot be changed with the keyboart shortcuts pref pane.

Thanks for the clarification about the Option key. I guess the Canadian CSA keyboard engineers were not brought up to speed. Geez.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul: Try assigning shortcuts with the higher-range F-keys (F13–F19) in various applications. You will encounter various problems, including in Apple&#8217;s own applications. That said, Apple has just released another update. I will have to try it. (It&#8217;s a 22 MB download that requires a restart.)</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t mind the brightness keys if they were configurable, i.e. if I could remove the shortcuts. But they are hard-wired and cannot be changed with the keyboart shortcuts pref pane.</p>
<p>Thanks for the clarification about the Option key. I guess the Canadian CSA keyboard engineers were not brought up to speed. Geez.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Ingraham</title>
		<link>http://www.betalogue.com/2007/08/30/new-apple-keyboard-fine-hardware-but-the-software-side-still-needs-work/comment-page-1/#comment-7442</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Ingraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, reporting back about my wireless aluminum keyboard, which arrived yesterday.

Fantastic hardware.  Light yet solid, a good compromise between key noise and resistance, freakishly slim and low profile, charmingly lacking in a numeric keypad.  My hands breathe a sigh of relief on this keyboard!  I love the tiny little power light that is virtually invisible until it turns on, the nearly perfect featureless of the keyboard aside from the keys themselves.  I could only improve it with a slightly different selection of special keys.  I like it so much I feel like ordering another one, for no reason I can think of other than, I dunno, having a backup.  ;-)

As for those brightness keys ... actually, I like adjusting my desktop’s screen brightness!  Lighting conditions are certainly not constant in my office: rather bright during the day, rather dark at night.  I like working in the dark, and turning the screen way down.  It’s always been a PITA opening the brightness control panel for that.  I’m genuinely grateful to have brightness at my fingertips.

And no issues with the software yet.  I am not experiencing any of the problems that other users are reporting at MacFixtIt.com.  (In a sense, the variability in user experience is almost as disturbing as the actual problems, but I’m pleased to be on the “no problem” side of the equation for once!) As for the problems you’ve pointed out here, Pierre:

I had no problem assigning F-key shortcuts in iWork (not sure if that problem was limited to the high F-keys for you).

No problem assigned Ctrl-F9 to “Bring All to Front”.

Old F-key shortcuts for Exposé are still as before ... and still work as before.

I’m also pleased to report that, while the wired keyboard lacks an “opt” label, my wireless actually spells out “option” and “command” and “control”!  However, I can see from the photos on apple.ca/keyboard that the wired keyboard looks the same, so it sounds like the key labels are different on the Canadian CSA version.

And my shipping box was just exactly big enough for the keyboard.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, reporting back about my wireless aluminum keyboard, which arrived yesterday.</p>
<p>Fantastic hardware.  Light yet solid, a good compromise between key noise and resistance, freakishly slim and low profile, charmingly lacking in a numeric keypad.  My hands breathe a sigh of relief on this keyboard!  I love the tiny little power light that is virtually invisible until it turns on, the nearly perfect featureless of the keyboard aside from the keys themselves.  I could only improve it with a slightly different selection of special keys.  I like it so much I feel like ordering another one, for no reason I can think of other than, I dunno, having a backup.  ;-)</p>
<p>As for those brightness keys &#8230; actually, I like adjusting my desktop’s screen brightness!  Lighting conditions are certainly not constant in my office: rather bright during the day, rather dark at night.  I like working in the dark, and turning the screen way down.  It’s always been a PITA opening the brightness control panel for that.  I’m genuinely grateful to have brightness at my fingertips.</p>
<p>And no issues with the software yet.  I am not experiencing any of the problems that other users are reporting at MacFixtIt.com.  (In a sense, the variability in user experience is almost as disturbing as the actual problems, but I’m pleased to be on the “no problem” side of the equation for once!) As for the problems you’ve pointed out here, Pierre:</p>
<p>I had no problem assigning F-key shortcuts in iWork (not sure if that problem was limited to the high F-keys for you).</p>
<p>No problem assigned Ctrl-F9 to “Bring All to Front”.</p>
<p>Old F-key shortcuts for Exposé are still as before &#8230; and still work as before.</p>
<p>I’m also pleased to report that, while the wired keyboard lacks an “opt” label, my wireless actually spells out “option” and “command” and “control”!  However, I can see from the photos on apple.ca/keyboard that the wired keyboard looks the same, so it sounds like the key labels are different on the Canadian CSA version.</p>
<p>And my shipping box was just exactly big enough for the keyboard.  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Igot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre Igot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul: I got it by ordering it from Apple :-). Seriously, there&#039;s probably a supply issue with the wireless that does not affect the wired keyboard (two different designs). Hope you get yours soon. 

The software issues just add to the overall inconsistency of the Mac OS X experience, I am afraid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul: I got it by ordering it from Apple :-). Seriously, there&#8217;s probably a supply issue with the wireless that does not affect the wired keyboard (two different designs). Hope you get yours soon. </p>
<p>The software issues just add to the overall inconsistency of the Mac OS X experience, I am afraid.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Ingraham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Ingraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did you get your keyboard so quickly, Pierre?   Perhaps the wired/Canadian CSA version is more available.  I ordered a wireless one when they were announced, but have had a mid-September shipping date all along, and apparently I may not get it even then.  I was told that their first shipment of wireless keyboards won&#039;t cover 10% of their orders.  Yikes.

Well, I look forward to getting it eventually.  The software issues sound kind of par for the course to me — disappointing of course, but not surprising.  They won&#039;t be any worse than the myriad of difficulties I&#039;ve had with 3rd-party keyboards.  What matters to me is having a compact wireless keyboard.  I hate reaching over a numeric keypad for my mouse!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did you get your keyboard so quickly, Pierre?   Perhaps the wired/Canadian CSA version is more available.  I ordered a wireless one when they were announced, but have had a mid-September shipping date all along, and apparently I may not get it even then.  I was told that their first shipment of wireless keyboards won&#8217;t cover 10% of their orders.  Yikes.</p>
<p>Well, I look forward to getting it eventually.  The software issues sound kind of par for the course to me — disappointing of course, but not surprising.  They won&#8217;t be any worse than the myriad of difficulties I&#8217;ve had with 3rd-party keyboards.  What matters to me is having a compact wireless keyboard.  I hate reaching over a numeric keypad for my mouse!</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 01:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far so good. New aluminum Apple keyboard feels great. And I am surprised how fast I got used to the new function key assignments. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far so good. New aluminum Apple keyboard feels great. And I am surprised how fast I got used to the new function key assignments. :)</p>
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		<title>By: danridley</title>
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		<dc:creator>danridley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not entirely confident that the software issues are going to see a speedy resolution, given the no-man&#039;s-land that F14-F16 have been on the current keyboard since 2004 at least.

I loved my MacBook&#039;s keyboard, though, and I&#039;m thrilled to see the desktop hardware taking cues from it. I suspect I&#039;ll be getting one for my iMac shortly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not entirely confident that the software issues are going to see a speedy resolution, given the no-man&#8217;s-land that F14-F16 have been on the current keyboard since 2004 at least.</p>
<p>I loved my MacBook&#8217;s keyboard, though, and I&#8217;m thrilled to see the desktop hardware taking cues from it. I suspect I&#8217;ll be getting one for my iMac shortly.</p>
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		<title>By: Arden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree about the older white keyboard. My dad had one and my mom still has one, and both are too hard and clunky. After reading this, I might recommend she get the new one.

Personally, however, I&#039;m not a big fan of the new keyboards. I quite like the somewhat chunky typing feel I get from my Logi, not to mention the extra buttons for various other tasks. I also dislike the way Apple rearranged the features of the keyboard. The feel is only okay for me (as with most laptop keyboards), but definitely not as nice as full keys. I&#039;ll stick with PC keyboards. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree about the older white keyboard. My dad had one and my mom still has one, and both are too hard and clunky. After reading this, I might recommend she get the new one.</p>
<p>Personally, however, I&#8217;m not a big fan of the new keyboards. I quite like the somewhat chunky typing feel I get from my Logi, not to mention the extra buttons for various other tasks. I also dislike the way Apple rearranged the features of the keyboard. The feel is only okay for me (as with most laptop keyboards), but definitely not as nice as full keys. I&#8217;ll stick with PC keyboards. :)</p>
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