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	<title>Comments on: Mac OS X&#8217;s Spotlight: That horrible &#8220;Kind › Others…&#8221; menu</title>
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		<title>By: ssp</title>
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		<dc:creator>ssp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 20:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Quartz Composer... yes it is neat to look at. But have tried doing any serious/ non-trivial work with it? That just drives me crazy. (I keep wondering whether complex QuartzComposer files like the RSS screen saver have been created using the QC UI or whether they have other tools at Apple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Quartz Composer&#8230; yes it is neat to look at. But have tried doing any serious/ non-trivial work with it? That just drives me crazy. (I keep wondering whether complex QuartzComposer files like the RSS screen saver have been created using the QC UI or whether they have other tools at Apple.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Igot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre Igot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 13:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike: Exactly my thoughts. I am not sure a small independent developer has the necessary resources/know-how to come up with a truly innovative and user-friendly way to present boolean searches. It obviously is a challenge that requires the brain power and expertise of UI specialists. Then again, these appears to be on short supply these days at Apple too…

I will take a look at the Quartz Composer. Thanks for the suggestion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike: Exactly my thoughts. I am not sure a small independent developer has the necessary resources/know-how to come up with a truly innovative and user-friendly way to present boolean searches. It obviously is a challenge that requires the brain power and expertise of UI specialists. Then again, these appears to be on short supply these days at Apple too…</p>
<p>I will take a look at the Quartz Composer. Thanks for the suggestion.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Lauder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Lauder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 12:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve yet to see a nice graphical way to represent Boolean searches and it&#039;s obviously something that Apple have had problems with too. If you just make a vertical list of criteria it&#039;s easy to ask the computer to use an AND or an OR operator, but it&#039;s pretty difficult to represent the hierarchy required to do AND and OR within he same query without it getting complicated to look at.

If you&#039;ve ever fired up the Quartz Composer in the Development Tools you&#039;ll know that it has a really nice way of linking objects so that even very complex systems can be kept track of quite easily. As spotlight progresses and we&#039;re able to tap into so much more data the complexity of searches may increase and an interface like that in Quartz Composer might be the way ahead.

Obviously for very simple searches it might be overkill, but for complex searches that you do on a regular basis (Smart folders) it could have some potential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve yet to see a nice graphical way to represent Boolean searches and it&#8217;s obviously something that Apple have had problems with too. If you just make a vertical list of criteria it&#8217;s easy to ask the computer to use an AND or an OR operator, but it&#8217;s pretty difficult to represent the hierarchy required to do AND and OR within he same query without it getting complicated to look at.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve ever fired up the Quartz Composer in the Development Tools you&#8217;ll know that it has a really nice way of linking objects so that even very complex systems can be kept track of quite easily. As spotlight progresses and we&#8217;re able to tap into so much more data the complexity of searches may increase and an interface like that in Quartz Composer might be the way ahead.</p>
<p>Obviously for very simple searches it might be overkill, but for complex searches that you do on a regular basis (Smart folders) it could have some potential.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Igot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre Igot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 11:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I&#039;ve tried &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.windstormsoftware.com/wssw/moru/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MoRU&lt;/a&gt; as well as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.houdah.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HoudahSpot&lt;/a&gt;, both of which leverage the power of the Spotlight architecture. They do have significant benefits, but I am still not satisfied with the interface they provide.

In order to achieve what I need, I end up using &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.betalogue.com/2005/05/03/mac-os-x-104-tiger-using-raw-spotlight-queries-to-fine-tune-file-searches/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;raw queries&lt;/a&gt; instead, which maybe underlines the difficulty of providing a user interface for Spotlight&#039;s features that indeed achieves the right balance between simplicity and power.

When it comes to user interface issues, the single-most important feature, in my opinion, is the ability to type one&#039;s search keywords in full before Spotlight starts searching for them. In that respect, I find that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.petermaurer.de/butler/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Butler&lt;/a&gt; is the most useful utility. I have just assigned the control-F shortcut to the general Spotlight search command, and it&#039;s then easy to switch between Content and File Names in the little dialog that pops up, and then type the keywords, and then press Return to start the search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;ve tried <a href="http://www.windstormsoftware.com/wssw/moru/index.html" rel="nofollow">MoRU</a> as well as <a href="http://www.houdah.com/" rel="nofollow">HoudahSpot</a>, both of which leverage the power of the Spotlight architecture. They do have significant benefits, but I am still not satisfied with the interface they provide.</p>
<p>In order to achieve what I need, I end up using <a href="http://www.betalogue.com/2005/05/03/mac-os-x-104-tiger-using-raw-spotlight-queries-to-fine-tune-file-searches/" rel="nofollow">raw queries</a> instead, which maybe underlines the difficulty of providing a user interface for Spotlight&#8217;s features that indeed achieves the right balance between simplicity and power.</p>
<p>When it comes to user interface issues, the single-most important feature, in my opinion, is the ability to type one&#8217;s search keywords in full before Spotlight starts searching for them. In that respect, I find that <a href="http://www.petermaurer.de/butler/" rel="nofollow">Butler</a> is the most useful utility. I have just assigned the control-F shortcut to the general Spotlight search command, and it&#8217;s then easy to switch between Content and File Names in the little dialog that pops up, and then type the keywords, and then press Return to start the search.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Ingraham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Ingraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 04:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I’ve commented about this before on Betalogue, but let’s get the word out there as much as possible: the UI for Spotlight is a work of heartbreaking incompetence, and my experience has been the same as ssp’s.  After wrestling with the menu you described above, and then having a few Finder crashes to add insult to injury, I simply won’t touch Apple’s Spotlight interface.

I’ve been using a nice little app called “MoRU” instead.  It‘s nothing special, but it works.  It doesn’t suffer from any of the puzzling awfulness of Apple’s interface and handily leverages the “under the hood” power of Spotlight perfectly well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I’ve commented about this before on Betalogue, but let’s get the word out there as much as possible: the UI for Spotlight is a work of heartbreaking incompetence, and my experience has been the same as ssp’s.  After wrestling with the menu you described above, and then having a few Finder crashes to add insult to injury, I simply won’t touch Apple’s Spotlight interface.</p>
<p>I’ve been using a nice little app called “MoRU” instead.  It‘s nothing special, but it works.  It doesn’t suffer from any of the puzzling awfulness of Apple’s interface and handily leverages the “under the hood” power of Spotlight perfectly well.</p>
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		<title>By: ssp</title>
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		<dc:creator>ssp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 22:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I&#039;ve wondered about that one as well and filed some bug reports about it. Over here it&#039;s quite good at just stalling/crashing the Finder as well... not using it seems to be the only viable workaround.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;ve wondered about that one as well and filed some bug reports about it. Over here it&#8217;s quite good at just stalling/crashing the Finder as well&#8230; not using it seems to be the only viable workaround.</p>
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