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	<title>Comments on: EPL: Day 34, Part 2 (Portsmouth 1 &#8211; Manchester United 0)</title>
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		<title>By: Pierre Igot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre Igot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The relegation system is pretty simple. Every year, the bottom three teams in the EPL at the end of the season drop to the lower league, i.e. the English First Division. Conversely, the top 2 teams of the First Division get automatically promoted to the EPL for the next season. For the third team, the 3rd-6th place teams in the First Division have to duke it out during a &quot;play-off&quot; round. Only one of the four play-off teams — the winner of the play-off round — gets promoted.

The same system — more or less — exists in other European leagues, although the &quot;play-off&quot; thing appears to be unique to England. There is no play-off round in France, for example. The bottom three teams of the Ligue 1 go down, and the top three teams of the Ligue 2 go up. 

As for the business side of things, relegation is obviously a big disaster financially for relegated teams. Playing in the top league provides lots of additional revenue (TV broadcasts, attendance, etc.). Also, each team has players that are not interested at all in playing in a lower league and leave the team. So it&#039;s not always easy to go down one year and come back up the next year. 

It&#039;s a pretty fair system that ensures that there is always &quot;new blood&quot; in the top league, and it&#039;s also a way for relatively unknown players in newly promoted team to get exposure and hopefully (from their point of view) be snatched away by more prestigious teams.

I must admit that I find it hard to imagine a league system that would be &quot;anti-relegation&quot;. If there is no hope for lowly teams to ever get promoted, where&#039;s the motivation to excel? Where is the dream of making it on the big scene? And where is the challenge for weaker teams in the top league? Strange.

Hope this answers your question. I am no specialist, I am just a football fan who thinks that the current system in Europe is pretty good, and obviously finds European football much more entertaining than the MLS or the A-League :). 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The relegation system is pretty simple. Every year, the bottom three teams in the EPL at the end of the season drop to the lower league, i.e. the English First Division. Conversely, the top 2 teams of the First Division get automatically promoted to the EPL for the next season. For the third team, the 3rd-6th place teams in the First Division have to duke it out during a &#8220;play-off&#8221; round. Only one of the four play-off teams — the winner of the play-off round — gets promoted.</p>
<p>The same system — more or less — exists in other European leagues, although the &#8220;play-off&#8221; thing appears to be unique to England. There is no play-off round in France, for example. The bottom three teams of the Ligue 1 go down, and the top three teams of the Ligue 2 go up. </p>
<p>As for the business side of things, relegation is obviously a big disaster financially for relegated teams. Playing in the top league provides lots of additional revenue (TV broadcasts, attendance, etc.). Also, each team has players that are not interested at all in playing in a lower league and leave the team. So it&#8217;s not always easy to go down one year and come back up the next year. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a pretty fair system that ensures that there is always &#8220;new blood&#8221; in the top league, and it&#8217;s also a way for relatively unknown players in newly promoted team to get exposure and hopefully (from their point of view) be snatched away by more prestigious teams.</p>
<p>I must admit that I find it hard to imagine a league system that would be &#8220;anti-relegation&#8221;. If there is no hope for lowly teams to ever get promoted, where&#8217;s the motivation to excel? Where is the dream of making it on the big scene? And where is the challenge for weaker teams in the top league? Strange.</p>
<p>Hope this answers your question. I am no specialist, I am just a football fan who thinks that the current system in Europe is pretty good, and obviously finds European football much more entertaining than the MLS or the A-League :).</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Beck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is clear now that David Beckham read the tea leaves in plenty of time to make arrangements to get out of town before things really decayed.  Or is it that Beckham started the process?  (I&#039;ll bet van Nistlerooy regrets his saying that he&#039;s staying put at United for the duration, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2004/4/15/sports/7767400&amp;sec=sports&quot; title=&quot;this link&quot;&gt;this link&lt;/a&gt;).  

You have to admit that the EPL is interesting every year.  I&#039;m glad that Fox Sports World broadcasts two or three games a week--it makes the MLS league here in the states look rather primitive.  

Pierre: perhaps you could write a piece on how the relegation business works.  We do not have this yet in the states in any league.  (I think that Major League Baseball would benefit from relegation; I would like to see the Philadelphia Phillies sent down to the AAA level, they deserve it.)  In the NBA, they appear to have anti-relegation: the worst teams get to make the first draft choices for the next season.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is clear now that David Beckham read the tea leaves in plenty of time to make arrangements to get out of town before things really decayed.  Or is it that Beckham started the process?  (I&#8217;ll bet van Nistlerooy regrets his saying that he&#8217;s staying put at United for the duration, see <a href="http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2004/4/15/sports/7767400&#038;sec=sports" title="this link">this link</a>).  </p>
<p>You have to admit that the EPL is interesting every year.  I&#8217;m glad that Fox Sports World broadcasts two or three games a week&#8211;it makes the MLS league here in the states look rather primitive.  </p>
<p>Pierre: perhaps you could write a piece on how the relegation business works.  We do not have this yet in the states in any league.  (I think that Major League Baseball would benefit from relegation; I would like to see the Philadelphia Phillies sent down to the AAA level, they deserve it.)  In the NBA, they appear to have anti-relegation: the worst teams get to make the first draft choices for the next season.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Beck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pierre:  Thanks!  I will look forward to the playoff round, then.  I think the relegation system would be good for the American professional sports scene. At this point, the MLS doesn&#039;t work with the A league in having a relegation/promotion system, I guess .  The minor leagues in professional baseball actually serve the &quot;big teams&quot; in the majors by providing farm or developmental teams.  

As to my concept of anti-relegation, it does seem that the american professional basketball and &quot;football&quot;  have to go to some lengths to insure a high quality of play and effort.  They share television money and other monies from advertising so as to improve profitablity for teams in small metropolitan areas.  The inverted draft system does insure that the less accomplished teams get good new players.  But their closed league system seems rather un-democratic, whereas the system in place in european soccer (sorry, football) does result in interesting pairings late in the season at least at the top and bottom of the league tables.  Again, I think that some of the pro teams in the U.S.  would benefit from being relegated.

Thanks again for explaining the system--I didn&#039;t know about the playoff, for instance, and I hope that some of those games are televised here.  I also enjoy your periodic discussions about the EPL.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pierre:  Thanks!  I will look forward to the playoff round, then.  I think the relegation system would be good for the American professional sports scene. At this point, the MLS doesn&#8217;t work with the A league in having a relegation/promotion system, I guess .  The minor leagues in professional baseball actually serve the &#8220;big teams&#8221; in the majors by providing farm or developmental teams.  </p>
<p>As to my concept of anti-relegation, it does seem that the american professional basketball and &#8220;football&#8221;  have to go to some lengths to insure a high quality of play and effort.  They share television money and other monies from advertising so as to improve profitablity for teams in small metropolitan areas.  The inverted draft system does insure that the less accomplished teams get good new players.  But their closed league system seems rather un-democratic, whereas the system in place in european soccer (sorry, football) does result in interesting pairings late in the season at least at the top and bottom of the league tables.  Again, I think that some of the pro teams in the U.S.  would benefit from being relegated.</p>
<p>Thanks again for explaining the system&#8211;I didn&#8217;t know about the playoff, for instance, and I hope that some of those games are televised here.  I also enjoy your periodic discussions about the EPL.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Igot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre Igot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re welcome :). The relegation system is not perfect, but it does seem more &quot;democratic&quot; and provides some decent entertainment (when &quot;smaller&quot; teams manage an upset, like Portsmouth against Man U yesterday) — although the amounts of money involved in the game these days do tend to distort the situation quite a bit (Chelsea being a prime example). There can be the occasional upset, but there&#039;s just no way that smaller teams can compete with the big ones on a regular basis. The big ones end up forming a kind of &quot;league within the league&quot;. 

The English Division 1 play-offs are televised here in Canada, but I&#039;m not sure about the US. I&#039;d keep checking the usually reliable &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.soccertv.com&quot; title=&quot;SoccerTV.com&quot;&gt;SoccerTV.com&lt;/a&gt; mailings for the latest updates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re welcome :). The relegation system is not perfect, but it does seem more &#8220;democratic&#8221; and provides some decent entertainment (when &#8220;smaller&#8221; teams manage an upset, like Portsmouth against Man U yesterday) — although the amounts of money involved in the game these days do tend to distort the situation quite a bit (Chelsea being a prime example). There can be the occasional upset, but there&#8217;s just no way that smaller teams can compete with the big ones on a regular basis. The big ones end up forming a kind of &#8220;league within the league&#8221;. </p>
<p>The English Division 1 play-offs are televised here in Canada, but I&#8217;m not sure about the US. I&#8217;d keep checking the usually reliable <a href="http://www.soccertv.com" title="SoccerTV.com">SoccerTV.com</a> mailings for the latest updates.</p>
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